How can I use white magic
"Of course witches use spells"
Today, October 31, witches around the world celebrate the so-called Witches' New Year. With Silvia Meichtry and Gisela Hutter, the RZ met two women from Upper Valais who call themselves witches and talked to them about their lifestyle, magic spells and black and white magic.
Silvia Meichtry, Gisela Hutter, you say of yourself that you are witches. What does that mean?
Silvia Meichtry: A witch means a woman who is very close to nature and has a great deal of self-confidence. Witches are people who can help themselves, but also stand by others. Witches go through life with this philosophy.
Gisela Hutter: To be a witch also means to lead an attentive life, i.e. to perceive things that others miss but that are of great importance. It's about not just functioning, as unfortunately many people do.
And how do you become a witch?
Gisela Hutter: Already in childhood I had an interest and a feeling for the spiritual world. However, I put this aside for a long time because I believed that special skills were required in order to be able to interact with the spiritual world. But then 20 years ago I started to lay cards. Later on, I took up further training in topics such as channeling, spiritual healing and numerology. That's how I got into witchcraft and the ancient witchcraft knowledge.
Silvia Meichtry: I, too, have always had a connection to the spiritual world. As a child, for example, I often felt a presence. For a long time I also suppressed these feelings and pushed them away from me. At the age of 14 I came across the tarot cards and began to open myself up to the spiritual again. Later I met Gisela and that's how I got into witchcraft. Today being a witch is everyday life for me.
What does a witch's everyday life look like?
Silvia Meichtry: In the everyday life of a witch, for example, the choice of clothes in the morning plays a role. Colors and their effects are an essential part of witchcraft and magic. So I look at what I want to say today and choose my clothes accordingly.
Can you give an example?
Silvia Meichtry: For example, if I want to be particularly communicative on one day, then I choose the color blue, because it promotes wisdom and harmony.
And how does a witch's everyday life go on?
Silvia Meichtry: In witchcraft, which is based heavily on closeness to nature, herbs also play a major role. It is not for nothing that people speak of herb witches. That's why I also think about which herbs I want to use for lunch, depending on the energies I need. And of course, as a witch, I write and use spells.
How does a spell work, how do you perform magic?
Silvia Meichtry: To do this, I sit down and first connect with the spiritual world, with my spirit guides. Then I write down the spell. This consists of rhyming heels, written in standard German. Then I work this spell with the help of the spiritual world.
And what is the content of such a spell?
Gisela Hutter: That depends on what you need right now. Spells can contain wishes, requests for help with a problem or for support in a healing process, for example.
Silvia Meichtry: It is particularly important that a spell must never be manipulative, i.e. no curses or hexes. I never use my spells on other people to make them do something they don't want.
Why not, wouldn't that be particularly interesting? For example, there are spells on the Internet that are said to make others fall in love with you.
Silvia Meichtry: There are two things to say about this. First, "forced" spells have limited effects. For example, if I want to use a spell to make someone fall in love with me, but I have no natural attraction to that person, such a spell, if at all, causes an initial fall in love, but such a relationship would inevitably fail. In magic, intent is crucial. You often hear about black and white magic. However, magic is value-neutral, only the intention makes it good or bad.
Gisela Hutter: It is entirely possible to harm other people with spells. But every witch knows that she always has to pay a very high price for such spells. A witch who casts bad spells is therefore not really smart.
Witches and witchcraft are mostly associated with rituals. You haven't said anything about that yet. Don't you do rituals?
Silvia Meichtry: Yes, of course, that is a fundamental element. When a witch does magic, it is part of the fact that she first draws a so-called circle of protection, for example made of salt. Such a circle causes an energy change that is really noticeable. Then the four elements, air, water, fire and earth are addressed and asked to give strength to the protective circle. Only then is a spell cast, often in connection with a candle that is color-coordinated with the spell. Then the circle is carefully opened again and the magic can unfold its effect.
We only talked about the how. Let's talk about the who. Who or what gives you the power to do magic?
Gisela Hutter: The spiritual world and its energy. What we are doing is sort of redirecting that force. The manifestations of this energy can be very different. Some call it angels, power animals, spirit guides, saints or the like. All of these appearances are expressions of a spiritual force that we ask for help with our magic. Even the dead can help. In doing magic, we open a channel into the world that lies behind ours.
Would you say any witch can become?
Silvia Meichtry: The ability to become a witch is present in each of us. So the answer is yes. There are of course people who are more talented than others, but basically it's a matter of practice. That is why we also conduct training courses in which we show the participants how they can learn witchcraft and use it in everyday life. This notion that witchcraft should be uncomplicated is very important to us.
Could men also do this kind of training? Witch implies that a woman is involved.
Gisela Hutter: Men can be witches too, yes. There is also a man in our current training. It is, however, the case that the male energy, which is strongly directed outwards, tends to make it a little more difficult for men to learn this art. Exceptions confirm the rule. The key to witchcraft is to be sensitive and to be able to respond to yourself. So the gaze is directed inwards. When the energy and focus are mainly flowing outwards, it becomes harder. Because witchcraft is a feminine energy.
You paint a very positive picture of yourself as witches. In general, however, witch is associated negatively. Think of the wicked witch from "Hansel and Gretel". Do you mind that many people have a negative image when they think of witches?
Gisela Hutter: Above all, it's a shame and tragic, because witches were never really evil. The negative image of a witch was born out of resentment and claims to power. As I said, witches are and were primarily women who had knowledge, for example about the healing properties of herbs. That was of course a thorn in the side of the male society of the last centuries, since witches endangered the interpretive sovereignty of these powerful men. In the Middle Ages, for example, the art of healing was purely for men, and a woman who interfered had to be silenced in order to cement the power of men. So witches were demonized and persecuted. The negative image of witches has nothing to do with their character, on the contrary. They were ostracized because of their knowledge and empathy. I hope that one day this will change.
Church and religion were significantly involved in the witch hunts. How do you feel about these institutions?
Silvia Meichtry: I am a very devout person. Witchcraft and religion are not mutually exclusive because what we do is not a religion.
You both say you are witches. How does your environment react to this statement?
Silvia Meichtry: Split. Anyone who comes out as a witch will lose friends. We tell our course participants that too. Lots of people think you're crazy and respond with disapproval. On the other hand, there are also many people from whom we receive admiration and who want to learn more about this ancient art. But it is clear: Even in 2019, a witch is still polarizing strongly.
Nevertheless, our scientific knowledge contradicts the statements made by you. There is no sorcery or witchcraft.
Gisela Hutter: Scientific knowledge is only the current state of error, they say yes. Much of our art, for example the effects of herbs or energy fields, has now been scientifically proven. Seen in this way, we may one day be able to prove the existence and effect of the spiritual world and its energy “scientifically”. We witches simply have a knowledge advantage.Martin Meul
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